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Tuesday, September 1, 2015

Climate Change wacko organization and I debate

OK, I copied this from the FB pages off the Union's FB link.  I saw this Neo Biognosis spreading the propaganda and I could not help myself.  So we got into it.  The Neo homepage is a Sphinx picture from Egypt or maybe a jackal.  No real person there would fess up his name.  Cowards they are according to Yoda.  Here is the copy/paste.  I know I know, I am an asshole to the liberals.  But that is what makes it fun!

Gregory Purcell ·
I wonder how long till Lake Mead runs out of water, it looks like it may happen 50 years before the scientists said it would.
Todd Juvinall ·
Your "papers" were mostly forged and made up from whole cloth. You global warming is a hoax. Liberals are lemmings ready to follow Al Gore right over the cliff. But hey, they will feel better about themselves.
Neo Biognosis ·
I'm sorry, you have evidence that this is the case, or is it an emotion you have about global warming? I've seen this opinion expressed so many times, mainly by people who have taken in the propaganda about so called "data fixing". That was a non-story. All data is adjusted, even Roy Spence and John Christy adjust their data. It is inevitable. While data is adjusted, for perfectly valid reasons, it does not affect the long term trend. That is a steady rise in global temperatures. That is why Arctic ice is at it's lowest volume ever. That is why sea levles are rising, that is why heat records are broken, year on year. That is why heatwaves are killing people more frequently.

Please consider looking carefully at all the evidence. No one is being scammed here, and our future really is at stake!
Like · Reply · Aug 29, 2015 1:56pm
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis I have been following and writing about the faux science output of the hoaxsters since the 70's. You have been duped and apparently are comfortable with your own propanganda. Do some more research and don't be a gullible lemming for goodness sakes. What is your science background anyway?
Like · Reply · Aug 29, 2015 4:41pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall I have read hundreds of scientific papers. I have observed the collapse of the Arctic sea ice since the start of this century. I have talked to the men who fish the North Sea for 60 years, and they tell me quite clearly, the seas are warming, the species changing. I have seen how the climate has changed over the last 50 years. You respond with the evidence you have, or, don't waste my precious time with procrastinations and insults. You sir appear to be a troll with no evidence what-so-ever.
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 3:54pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall Please, if you can, respond to this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/global-warming-carving-changes...
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 4:05pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall http://www.gov.scot/.../FRS%20SFF%20Climate%20and...

Try reading a report or two!
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 4:18pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Try Spain for instance...

The reports notes that temperatures have increased in Spain in the last 100 years by 1.5ºC, somewhat above world (0.95ºC) and European average rises (0.6ºC). This rise has been particularly noted during the winter. Rainfall has also been lower in winter, especially in the south and the Canaries. This trend appears to coincide with an increase in the NAO (North Atlantic Oscillation - the Atlantic's less understood cousin of El Niño). This rise in temeratures is alreday having its effects, from the every high lower limit of mountain floras (e.g. beech forest in Montseny, endemic 'crioromediterraneo' alpine communities in the Sierra Nevada), to the melting of the glaciers in the Pyrenees. See also:
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 4:21pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall Pakistan
http://www.dawn.com/news/1189979
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 4:23pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall An 80% increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes?
Webster et al. present a plot (Figure 4) where of the number of Category 1, Category 2 and 3, and Category 4 and 5 storms, averaged into 5-year "pentads". The results show little change in the statistics of Category 1, 2, and 3 hurricanes, but a startling increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes. These most intense and dangerous storms on Earth have increased from 50 per five-year period in the 1970s, to 90 in the past decade--a near doubling!

image: http://www.wunderground.com/education/websterfig4.gif

Figure 4
Figure 4. Intensity
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Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 4:34pm
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis Desperate are you? Apparentley. I have lots of evidence and have written about this for many years. Your fishermn and artic sea ice are simply a anecdote and non scientific response. You are a sucker for the hoax.

What is your real name?
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 5:34pm
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis 80% increase in Cat 5 hurricaines? Are you nuts? There has been hardly any for ten years! You just mnake it up. Haxes are really destructive to the planet's people. And you get grants from the government. Terrible.
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 8:58am
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall There have been plenty over the last 10 years. You need to think again. You are so far out of touch with the data it is incredible. Loke, Rick, Celia and Marie were all category 5 hurricanes (2006, 2009, 2010 and 2014) respectively. You really are quite ignorant of the data! Carry on, this is really good stuff!
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:12am
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis Did you ever read history Neo? Remeber all those Captain's logs on the ships flying the Spanish flag and encountering hurricaine in the 1500's? Apparently your world view is your lifetime. You need to go back to school for a "critical thinking" class and some history course. My goodness you people are really ignoramuses!
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Neo Biognosis ·
It seems that this letter is a rare thing in the US. People standing up to tell a truth are subject to unwarrented abuse from people who, for whatever reason, do not believe what the evidence is telling us. Well said sir!
Todd Juvinall ·
On the contray, it is your ilk that wants those of us who have exposed the hoax to be silenced. Put in jail and told to shut up. You have called us names galore. We are simply telling the truth and telling the world all about you.
Like · Reply · Aug 29, 2015 4:43pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall How? What hoax have you exposed. You seem to be deluded beyond measure. Do you listen to what the people of Alaska are telling you. Do you even bother to give time to those in the front line of climate change. Have you anything to give in terms of debate. Can you point to any single peice of scientific evidence. Or os all you do spout ad hominems.
Like · Reply · Aug 30, 2015 3:56pm
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis I read and listen to experts. You listen and read ignorant posters on your facebook page. Get real, you are a tax sucking hoaxster and you need to stop. Americans are too smart for you. Look at the polls of what we think are the important issues. Your tax-sucking hoax is at the bottom. What you are doing is not working and those of us exposing your hoax have slowed down the transfer of wealth from the poor to you.
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:02am
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall So you have now posted 6 posts, and all you have done is rant incoherenlty about hoaxes and taxes. You have posted no E V I D E N C E!. Come on my old mate, post something that shows me you know somthing about Global Warming. I've already got the message you are a tight wad and think everyones plotting to steal your money and land! Lets get away from the conspiracy stuff!
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:16am
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis No, you need to post your name and not your tax eating hoaxster business name. Then we can talk. The world now knows to stop sending you money.
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:20am
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall The point about the facebook page is I've subscribed to a web site where real scientists post responses to blogged rubbish posted by people like yourself who are totally ignorant of the science. You evidently know one end of a brick from another, but past pythagoras theorem there is a world of maths that is a mystery to your refreshingly untutored mind! No wonder you don't sully your posts with anything like supporting evidence. Just stick to the trolling!
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:30am
Todd Juvinall ·
Neo Biognosis You need to get out of the basement and start getting dressed in clothes that are not PJ's. Try "Watts Up With That" website. Also read some Vaclac Klaus and get back to the thread.
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Harold H. Seneker
We have some commenters here wanting evifence, and some saying there is evidence without citing it. Facts are certainly needed in this matter.

'There are some crucial, verifiable facts - with citations - about human-generated carbon dioxide and its effect on global warming people need to know at

hseneker.blogspot.com

The discussion is too long to post here but is a quick and easy read. I recommend following the links in the citations; some of them are very educational.
Todd Juvinall ·
I agree. The Neo organization mouthpiece here is supplying comments from Eskimos, not scientists.
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 9:03am
Neo Biognosis ·
The links are very interesting.

Link 1. An extract from

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html

One extract you do not refer to, but choose to ignore!

"The fifth most abundant gas in the atmosphere is carbon dioxide. The volume of this gas has increased by over 35% in the last three hundred years (see Figure 7a-1). This increase is primarily due to human induced burning from fossil fuels, deforestation, and other forms of land-use change. Carbon dioxide is an important greenhouse gas. The human-caused increase in its concentration in the atmosphere has strengthened the gree
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Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 1:30pm
Neo Biognosis ·
Todd Juvinall Eskimos are in a better position than you to judge climate change. You post is arrogant and ignorant!
Like · Reply · Aug 31, 2015 1:32pm
Todd Juvinall · Neo Biognosis You get your info from Eskimos. Thanks for confirming. You are a coward for not using your real name. That alone makes your arguments propaganda. You little Goebbells you.

2 comments:

  1. I read the thread and I am a little shocked Todd that you were proud of this exchange. You added not one shred of 'new' information for those you engaged. The total content of your posts was "I've been blabbering about stuff I know little about my entire adult life so listen to ME ."

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  2. That's right. I have debated the science for twenty five years and it makes no difference to you true believers. I have concluded it is not about the science but all about politics. So that is my position. You are new to this and obviously unaware you are being duped.

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Real name thank you.