UPDATE: Go to this link from WND and read the whole thing. There are also many copies of the long form birth certificates, one from a woman born a day after Obama. She was able to get her copy. I am not opining one way or the other, but after reading this WND article, you just have to wonder.
"Donald Trump Responds
Published: April 8, 2011
To the Editor:Re “Donald Trump Gets Weirder,” by Gail Collins (column, April 2):
Even before Gail Collins was with the New York Times, she has written nasty and derogatory articles about me. Actually, I have great respect for Ms. Collins in that she has survived so long with so little talent. Her storytelling ability and word usage (coming from me, who has written many bestsellers), is not at a very high level. More importantly, her facts are wrong!
As far as her comments on the so-called “birther” issue, I don't need Ms. Collins's advice. There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth. His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in-they just don't know.
He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain. Equally of importance, there are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there-no bills, no doctors names, no nurses names, no registrations, no payments, etc. As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S. with all of the benefits thereto. Everybody, after all, and especially then, wanted to be a United States citizen.
The term used by Ms. Collins-“birther”-is very derogatory and is meant in a derogatory way. Had this been George Bush or almost any other President or Presidential aspirant, they would never have been allowed to attain office, or would have been thrown out of office very quickly.
For some reason, the press protects President Obama beyond anything or anyone I have ever seen. What they don't realize is that if he was not born in the United States, they would have uncovered the greatest "scam" in the history of our country. In other words, they would become the hottest writer since Watergate, or beyond.
Open your eyes, Gail, there's at least a good chance that Barack Hussein Obama has made mincemeat out of our great and cherished Constitution!
DONALD J. TRUMP
New York, April 7, 2011"
What to me is most damning about the lamestream media on this issue is that no one has published the definitive defense of Obama's birthright to be President. I suspect that this is not done because it would show 1) how weak per se the 'born in the USA' argument is, and 2)invite its poin-by-point refutation which creates an unassailable side-by-side document that screams for a full and transparent investigation.
ReplyDeleteObama is the child of the mainstream media so they cannot do any backtracking because they would perhaps be help accountable if he is not a citizen. The cover-up would be exposed if Trump is correct.
ReplyDeleteGail Collins answers Trump's claims here. Some of her defense of Obama seem to detract from Trump's claims and other seem to raise more questions.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
ReplyDeleteWhat are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?
Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.
When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.
While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.
Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
ReplyDeleteWho is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
You have to give Trunp credit for not being PC. I love this stuff.
ReplyDeleteI give Trump credit for being a psychopath, a delusional narcissist who is prone to unwarranted and arrogant gasconnade, and a conceited megalomaniac. But not much else.
ReplyDeleteBut he has money.
ReplyDeleteTrump deserves credit for not being afraid to say "the emperor has no clothes" [and has no birth certificate.]. He is in the prefect situation to call BO to the mat on this. Fortunately, Trump is well insulated from attacks of the left.
ReplyDeleteI'm very thankful he has highlighted this issue.
Is Michael's point that BO shouldn't be required to present a birth certificate?
I'm fairly certain that every candidate in the 2012 Prez election will be providing their Birth Certificate. Will BO be the only one who doesn't?
I look forward to hearing Trump say to BO: You're filred!
--John Galt
The press has protected Obama from many things that others are required to disclose. He is their baby and they are still doing their best to insulate the man-child from having to discredit them.
ReplyDeleteI really have to wonder based upon the following premise:
ReplyDelete1. The worlds most expensive security agency (the Secret Service) guards our president.
2. The McCain campaign would have been a shoe-in if this was found to be true without having to spend a dime.
Based upon these ideas don't you think that someone on in Republican party would have said "I found this document and it proves that Obama needs to go home to Nigeria, Indonesia or where-ever he's from?" The next sentence would have been - HELLO President McCain!!!!
Don't you think that someone from the Right would say "hey were funding this service to guard the President and it's a boatload of money, so why are we spending it on someone who doesn't qualify to be the President."
Chris Wood
GV
Very good questions Chris, why do you think Trump and others keep bringing this up?
ReplyDeleteYES!,,, there is too much time and money being spent to keep records sealed, for something not to be amiss. So just how much of his real history has been public record? Not much from what I can tell.
ReplyDelete"Very good questions Chris, why do you think Trump and others keep bringing this up?"
ReplyDeleteI don't know about others, but as far as Trump is concerned it's because megalomaniacs love hearing the sound of their own voices.
Trump also adheres to the old credo, "there is no such thing as bad publicity."
In answer to "John Galt:" He's provided a document that is good enough to get a passport. I've provided you a link regarding Title 8, and I assume you understand the details regarding the citizenship of his mother.
I really don't understand this birther nonsense at all. There's no upside to continuing to beat this drum, and the downside is that birther people become politically irrelevant, even if they have something to say that's legit on another issue. It's just plain weird, like there's some sort of underlying medical issue that we don't yet understand about these people.
What I find amazing is the amount of words passed over time to implement this Article 2, Section One requirement from the US Constitution.
ReplyDelete"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
If this is accurately interpeted then I would think it woud be easy to prove and Trump will be derided.
I think that it's a complete farce as McCain would have been President if there was any truth to this claim.
ReplyDeleteFace it guys, this idea has no merit and we should not spend anymore "quality" time on this, and anyone who believes that this might be true, I'll give you $2 for your search for Big-foot!
I don't know about you but I'm going back to dealing with how to get the job machine back and functioning in my company and not dealing with this foolishness, which seems to be a diversion as it pops up again, and again, and again, and again....
Chris
Well there are still a bunch of people that think there was a fellow on the grassy knoll. Many on the left still think Bush and the Jews were responsible for 9/11. I have to say many more think there are aliens and UFO's. This is America and people can be as stupid as they want. Look at the democrats in Congress for goodness sakes. They have to be the stupidest people on the planet.
ReplyDelete"This is America and people can be as stupid as they want. Look at the democrats in Congress for goodness sakes. They have to be the stupidest people on the planet."
ReplyDeleteSounds like everything is fine after all. Nothing more to worry about. Carry on, everyone.
You have to provide a "birth certificate" to receive a drivers license in Honolulu Hawaii.
ReplyDeleteSee: http://www1.honolulu.gov/csd/vehicle/faqs_cdl.htm#permit
What's the big deal Mr. President? You're just like us remember...so show us the Certificate!
--John Galt