WOW, and I thought the left was seeing a resurgence based on their pompous pronouncements in the press and even here in Nevada County's liberal blogosphere. Well, I guess not. HERE is the article on the recall.
There is a video attached to the story which you need to watch as well. The leader of the recall is explaining the reasons for recall and his results should send shivers up the spines of all the liberals who want to raise taxes but not cut spending. We have the same issues here in California. Jerry Brown and the democrat controlled legislature are pushing a tax increase here and my guess is it will fail. People across America are hurting real bad economically. Property values have plummeted and more than one half of all homes are under water as far as their value. Unemployment is very high and California leads the way in the high teens. What is the message the politicians send us? Pay more taxes!
Miami-Dade is in Florida of course. Florida is filled with a lot of retirees and snowbirds who own second homes. They are usually the first to be affected by higher taxes. Well, the Mayor was recalled 88% to 12%! Here is a the published reason why the Mayor and a couple of his Commission friends were recalled.
"The campaign to recall Alvarez was launched in October by billionaire businessman Norman Braman after Alvarez successfully pushed for a property tax-rate increase to help plug a gaping budget hole. At the same time, Alvarez pushed for labor contracts with employee unions that included pay hikes for most county workers this year."
Todd J. Juvinall
I Miss my Husband very much! Todd was simply all about loving God, County, Family and People. My love , My husband is with Jesus in Heaven. He enjoyed communicating with each of you on Sierra Dragon's Breath. Todd was a Great, Loving, Kind man and will be Missed. Love you honey! Till wee meet again. 
NEWS FLASH!!!!
ReplyDeleteTodd... here's a FACT... the recalled Mayor, Alvarez... is a REPUBLICAN!
This is a FACT!
So, we republicans those the bad boys and girls when we catch them. You liberals promote and protect them. Nothing new here.
ReplyDeleteSeems Todd "forgot" to mention in his story above that...
ReplyDeleteThe recalled Mayor, Alvarez... is a REPUBLICAN!
Oh and BTW, Mayor is a non partisan office there. Keep trying though, we get a laugh once in a while from your antics. I think we have the moral high ground.
ReplyDeleteTry doing a little research... it's a FACT... The recalled Mayor, Alvarez... is a REPUBLICAN!
ReplyDeleteI just said that was the case. Do your research before you pop off.
ReplyDeleteSteve, do you mean that Mayor Alvarez was a REPUBLICAN?
ReplyDeleteLOL!!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/16/us-usa-florida-election-result-idUSTRE72F0EC20110316
ReplyDeleteYep... Mayor Alvarez is a REPUBLICAN.
ReplyDeleteSteve, so what, Arnold was a Republican and look at what he brought us. We the People are going to take charge and if Republicans or Democrats, raise taxes and you are a goner, regardless of the party. Get use to it!
ReplyDelete"So what" Russ asks?
ReplyDeleteThe "what" is simple... Todd's "story" failed to mention the fact that Alvarez is a Republican!
Todd posted the following... "the reasons for recall and his results should send shivers up the spines of all the liberals who want to raise taxes but not cut spending".
Todd also made comments about liberals and the lefties but no mention of R's.
Alvarez is a Republican and that is a fact important to this event.
Alvarez being an R means Todd's statement... "should send shivers up the spines of all the liberals"... should not have just focused on "liberals", it's shows bias.
I hope this helps you understand the point I was making. It's just not the Lib's it's the RINO's too... right?
There are liberal R's Steve. We don't think in a box as small as yours. We know there are R's that need to go. Unlke democrats though, we boot ours while democrats promote them. You are stuck in an old mindset, we oppose tax increasers whether they are R's or D's.
ReplyDelete"The campaign to recall Alvarez was launched in October by billionaire businessman Norman Braman"... he also provided over a million dollars for the effort.
ReplyDeleteSteve: Whether the mayor is Democrat or Republican is irrelevant to the story. Todd is pointing out that he was a liberal. There is a difference between political parties and ideology. As a liberal DS voter you should know that...but my guess is that you are trying to twist the meanings of Todd's words...as usual.
ReplyDeleteI applaud a recall of anyone who does not get the fact that we have a spending problem. Kudos to Todd for pointing it out.
As Russ said, raise taxes (Republican or Democrat) and you are gone. We conservatives have the requisite integrity to stick to our principles regardless of party affiliation.
Message to Alvarez...bye bye.
So Republican Mayor Alvarez is a Liberal Barry? Care to provide the historical basis for that?
ReplyDeleteSeems Alvarez was elected and praised by the conservatives and the R's for a long, long time and only had "issues" after his budget/tax/funding issue.
Alvarez has a conservative background and came from law enforcement and was respected across the board until... the tax/budget issue. Then a billionare provided the money to go after him.
I would think a defeat of 88 to 12 would contain a lot of consevatives.
ReplyDeleteI would think a defeat of 88% to 12% would contain a lot of liberals.
ReplyDeleteI agree. The difference is the liberal consist of about 20% of the total vote while R's are much larger. My guess is though on this vote that the liberals were the 12% supporting the Mayor.
ReplyDeleteSorry Todd, you have no factual voteing data to support your claim.
ReplyDeleteDo a little research into the vote results.
Notice the number of each each of the voters registerations?
Notice the number of R's vs's the D's that voted and compare that to the vote results.
Enos is a partisan hack. All one needs to do is read his tripe herein to see that.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, watching folks TRY to reply to Enos and have Enos display even minimal message competence is like watching a mommy or daddy tell a little boy he can't have an ice cream cone.
Woodsy
Sorry... but "Woodsy" post is an off topic personal attack, made by someone in violation of this blogs stated use rules that require a real name to post.
ReplyDeleteNo, It's quite on topic; the topic becoming your hackery and refusal to hear others' replies while insisting on advancing ultra-partisan hog wash.
ReplyDeleteIt's very evident that you have no interest in the nuance of factual reality.
Furthermore, if you want to make the rules and provide enforcement of a blog, do it on your own blog. You don't have the authority to macro-manage this blog and crying about it only reinforces my earlier post.
Woodsy
Sorry but this blog's stated use rules are simple:
ReplyDeleteUse a real name to post.
Thus your post is not relevent as you hide in the bushes and toss rocks.
Use your name to post like everyone else.
My post(s) are very relevant and each continuing post you submit herein only supports my original contribution.
ReplyDeleteThanks for playin' along.
Woodsy
Woodsy, you crack me yp. Since I know you you are not anonymous on my blog.
ReplyDeleteWoodsy's real name is Jonathan Baker. His parents are ultra liberals Wm. and Margaret Baker.
ReplyDeleteEJ Di Mera
Nope
ReplyDeleteSee that's why I remain anonymous. Liberals hold the belief that if you reject their dogma, you must have a deep seated problem in your home life...which is rooted in complete arrogance.
ReplyDeleteThe other reason I remain anonymous to local liberals is because I know most of them, and if they new "woodsy" was me they'd stop confiding in me their deepest darkest liberal secrets.
Liberal are fine to hang out with, they just can't be trusted with tax dollars or public policy.
Finally, I'm interested as to why I've heard several liberal folks say that "woodsy" is Jonathan Baker. Maybe an honest liberal can tell me where this idea came from.
If they knew who you are Woodsy, you would find dead animals hanging from your mail box.
ReplyDeleteOr you would get death threat phone calls, have the trees in your yard cut down, be called a whore in front of your children, have you automobile vandalized, be threatened with physical violence in a public place, or have a contract taken out on your life---oh I am sorry, those are all things noted conservatives have done here in Nevada County in the last 12 years!
ReplyDeleteIs that what you heard at your chef school?
ReplyDeleteWould you care to quantify?
On the one hand folks like Steve say "you can't lump radicals of a group with the larger group" (Muslims) and then turn right around and assert that "conservatives" of Nevada County are vandals and potentially violent individuals.
With that said, when you actively undermine freedom to work with ridiculous models of economics and un-ending lawsuits against productivity, and you try to dictate your ideals on otherwise free Americans, maybe you open yourself up to rebellion from those which your fantasies effect.
Just sayin...
Woodsy
Well said Woodsy. I have experienced many of the complaints listed by Frisch and I am a conservative. That is why his premise is bogus. I won't blame it all on liberals though. I have a better heart.
ReplyDelete"Or you would get death threat phone calls, have the trees in your yard cut down, be called a whore in front of your children, have you automobile vandalized, be threatened with physical violence in a public place, or have a contract taken out on your life---oh I am sorry, those are all things noted conservatives have done here in Nevada County in the last 12 years!"
ReplyDeleteOh please do tell more other than just the accusations! I would lobe to hear about these!
Barry.. the following has happened to me and the DA and GVPD have the records:
ReplyDeleteMy tires were slashed at my home hours after being threatened by a project applicant that didn’t like me commenting on his project at a GV Planning Commission meeting. First the threat, then the tires slashed in the dark just a few hours after the threat.
Then same project applicant made another threat after another GV City public hearing on the same project where I spoke about design issues. This time, hours after the public hearing the maple tree in my front yard was cut down in the middle of the night. The next morning The Union had a story about the project hearing and under the blog comment section was a rant about me that asked me if I had a permit for the tree I cut down in my front yard. I went to my front yard and sure enough my tree was cut down and in the street. This local businessman still owes me some tires.
Then there was the time while I was a City Council member… I was in the hallway of City Hall at a Planning Commission hearing. A former President of the Nevada County Contractors Association was in the hall too, along with a witness to this incident. So this NCCA board member started calling me a lot of four letter words.
I asked him if he had some issues he might like to discuss and then he started with a long list of threats, how “they” were watching me and how “they“ would take me out if I didn’t stop attending hearings and speaking.
In the morning I first contact Barbara Bashall and Keoni Allen of the NCCA about this to give them an opportunity to address this, which they didn’t. Then I went to GVPD to report the incident. GVPD investigated and interviewed this NCCA person that at the time was a current NCCA board member. GVPD then sent off a report to the DA and the DA investigated it too. The NCCA board member called to say he was sorry and the matter didn’t go any further. Go talk to Keoni Allen and/or Barbara Bashall to confirm this or talk to the DA or Chief Forster at GVPD, it’s all on file.
These are just a couple of the incidents I have experienced, many more and many while I was elected to the Grass Valley City Council.
Woodsey, I was merely pointing out the record as it really happened in the community.
ReplyDeleteTodd, no one should be the target of these sorts of activities, not even you.
Barry, perhaps when you have lived in the community for a few years you will know the history too!
Finally, why would you guys ever think that I would consider being called a chef an insult? I loved being a chef, and it is a great career.
Nothin' wrong with that!
So where is the proof the people were conservatives? I think we have some paranoid folks in our midst. When you are a public figure you receive these things. Even ex cooks. Perhaps when a project proponent puts his life savings into a personal project and some person then uses mechanisms to thwart them that is an indicator of how people can react. You cannot slap someone around in a protected public hearing and then sit around with them and sing kumbaya afterwards. Yes there are people who just don't like other people. Frisch and Enos are not well liked people on many of these blogs because they just don't seem to b nice people. That is OK, we can handle it here. I have my detractors as well. Such is life, even though I am a hunk of of a guy women swoon over at airports.
ReplyDeleteI would submit that since Steve isn't an architect he shouldn't be complaining about design issues, and since he's not a planner he shouldn't be postulating about planning issues.
ReplyDeleteMy comments about you being a chef are not necessarily a put down, they are an attempt to illuminate the fact that you have a bad habit of trying to be in an expert in areas that you are NOT. I don't assume you will except this. I fully expect that will continue on being a faux climate change expert, design expert and land use/zoning expert. It's what you do. Maybe you should mind your own business more often and people won't feel the desire to slash your tires.
Now go cook a steak for me Steve. I'm sure it will be good.
Woodsy
Todd: Thank you for asking my question.
ReplyDelete"So where is the proof the people were conservatives?"
But I would add to Todd's question...did these individuals do these alleged things based upon conservative principles or based upon a perceived personal grievance?
The issues which you discuss seem more personal to me and that you two are trying to rhetorically tie these specific personal grievances to conservatives in general.
Nice try...but my BS meter just spiked.
Go look Bill Weizmann up in the tea party gazette you buffoons.
ReplyDeleteBarry, you BS meter? How could you know, you were not here? But I suspect that neither of you will ever admit that any of your cronies would do something bad, unlike Steve Enos and I, who would, and have, called out our allies when they act inappropriately.
Leadership means having community standards and applying them relatively equally. If you condone your allies bad behavior and demonize your opponents, you are a poor leader.
Steve, you and I should not be here. We are just boosting this morons hits and giving him the attention his tiny ego, and unit, need.
By the way Toddy, it's amazing that as a former county supervisor and the founder of the baby state boosters CABPRO, the response to documented acts of violence, death threats and property destruction by you is essentially, "hey, tough luck".
ReplyDeleteWhat a "big" man you are.
I have to get off the right wing blog crack. I need an intervention!
ReplyDeleteBarry as you can read here the leftwingnuts are at it again. Weizman had a property line dispute with his neighbor and he did bad things which all of us denounced at the time. What that has to do with party registration is only in the pea brain of Frisch. The left never condemns their own, only conservatives maintain a standard which we enforce against scofflaws. I dare say the two Steve's have yet to condemn Clinton's lies, Barney Franks brothel or Chris Dodd's connections to the commies of Nicaragua. No, they are simply people who live in a liberal bubble of denial. Many people call their ilk paranoid delusional and now I can see why. Very immature.
ReplyDeleteSo it was a personality thing as opposed to an ideological thing as I suspected. In fact, Steve Frisch confirmed that in his response.
ReplyDeleteIt is not about condoning allies...it is about denouncing poor personal behavior designed to achieve a personal goal with a personal issue.
To extrapolate personal motives and extend them to others is just plain stupid. You are referencing a property dispute and trying to accuse conservatives in general of violence?! It was one guy...sounds like Laughner all over again. Did you guys not learn a lesson from that?
And just to get all of the liberal hacks back on topic...raise taxes and your gone. Case and point in FL. Loser mayor is out. Bring in the spending cutter.
ReplyDelete"Leadership means having community standards and applying them relatively equally. If you condone your allies bad behavior and demonize your opponents, you are a poor leader."
ReplyDeleteSteve, you know Zero about leadership as evidenced by your made-up definition of what makes a good leader. There is an entire area of study in leadership which you obviously don't realize exists.
Talk to us about the LFS model of leadership, or maybe you'd like to study Fayol, Taylor or Weick and get back to us.
Once again, you pretend to be an expert on a subject in which you have no fundamental basis of understanding and make it up as you go with the same techniques you use to create a lunch special.
You need to stop pretending Steve. It makes people angry and then they feel compelled to slash your tires.
Woodsy
wOODSY, you have it right.
ReplyDeleteNobody makes people angrier than Jonathan Baker (Woodsy) - every posting liberal on the comments section at the Union takes him down intellectually on a daily basis. He comes here to have Wise&Just stroke him.
ReplyDeleteEJ Di Mera
lol. EJ you must live in a fantasy world. Name ONE "liberal" that "takes" me "down intellectually on a daily basis."
ReplyDeleteMost liberals that post here, there, or anywhere are short on facts, long on dogma, intellectually dishonest, and about one or two clicks from full-blown mental retardation.
My theory is too much drug use; and if you think liberals "take" me "down intellectually" than you must be smoking some medical grade marijuana.
When facts are presented (like the fact that I'm not Jonathan Baker) liberals ignore it like it was never even said...very reminiscent of a 5 year old.
You have a nice dogmatic day EJ.
Woodsy
Woodsy, the EJ person can't even spell his/her name correctly. On prevous posts it was MIRA. So, just a troll. Probably Pelline or one of his loony leftwingnut pals.
ReplyDeleteLiberal folks are just mad that normal folks have finally decided we're not going to take their mindless drivel any longer without a firm response.
ReplyDeleteThey've had the "activist" angle going on for a long time. While we were out working and providing for our families, they were putting in place the means to sue us into compliance with their fruity goals.
Those days are over and they seem to be having a hard time excepting the fact that the paradigms that govern their perspectives are outdated, incorrect and a fools endeavor.
We must continue kicking that liberal rear-end.
Woodsy
Yes we can!
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ReplyDeleteMade up phony person, can't even spell his own name consistently, bye bye EJ.
ReplyDeleteAnother attribute of a good leader Woodsy, is that they are not anonymous!
ReplyDeleteReally? Threatening phone calls to a business for allowing the exercise of free speech?
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